This is “From a Altered Point of View,” a affection area I altercate a banana book alternation with addition writer. In this case, it is CBR’s own Eileen Gonzalez who will be activity over the history of the Avengers with me, chance by story!
We abide with Avengers #48, “The Black Knight Rises Again!” by Roy Thomas and George Tuska.
Brian Cronin: How extemporaneous were you for how acceptable that Tuska awning was activity to be?
Eileen Gonzalez: Not alike accidentally prepared. That is a badass way to acquaint the Black Knight.
Eileen Gonzalez: And the top-down bend is absolutely cool
Brian Cronin: It’s such a crisp cover
Brian Cronin: And what’s awe-inspiring is that he doesn’t alike do that acceptable of a job on the interiors!
Brian Cronin: The absorbing affair is that bethink how I was cerebration aftermost affair that the pages looked about like Buscema was aloof accomplishing breakdowns or layouts, because it looked added Tuska-y than Buscema-y?
Brian Cronin: Well, now that we accept Tuska accomplishing abounding interiors, that looks alike added clear, right?
Brian Cronin: There’s about a aberration amid the art in this affair and the art in aftermost issue.
Eileen Gonzalez: Yeah, Tuska’s fingerprints are absolutely all over both issues. Makes me admiration how abundant artistic ascendancy Buscema had aftermost time.
Brian Cronin: I anticipate it was acceptable borderline issues.
Brian Cronin: And I brainstorm that’s why this isn’t absolutely aiguille Tuska here.
Brian Cronin: He’s a accomplished artist, and alike here, the sequentials are fine, but the appearance assignment is not as acceptable as he can be.
Eileen Gonzalez: It’s absolute abominably paced as well. We hardly get any absolute artifice actuality until center through the issue. I anticipate Thomas alike lampshades that.
Brian Cronin: We were adage that about the aboriginal part, too. This absolutely feels like a amplitude as a TWO allotment chance and they’ve approved to accomplish it THREE parts!
Brian Cronin: Tuska was alive for four altered companies at the time (Tower, Marvel, Western and Warren), so that could alibi his beneath than optimal artwork.
Brian Cronin: But yeah, above that, Thomas is absolutely at the benevolence of his artisan aback it comes to the plotting. The anathema of the Marvel Method!
Eileen Gonzalez: I assumption Tuska absolutely admired Magneto, then, because he has way added console time than he deserves here.
Eileen Gonzalez: And poor Toad is all anxious of the absorption Magneto is giving the Avengers!
Brian Cronin: I adulation that Magneto is additionally cool able for some reason.
Brian Cronin: That’s one of Tuska’s bigger panels.
Brian Cronin: But it’s so odd.
Brian Cronin: Magneto aloof accomplishing karate chops to copse to appearance off.
Eileen Gonzalez: And yet he larboard one of the cuffs on Pietro’s chains loose. Magneto is all over the abode today.
Eileen Gonzalez: You’d anticipate he could handle METAL chains, if annihilation else.
Brian Cronin: Overconfidence is his downfall!
Brian Cronin: That microphone abiding isn’t that tiny, right?
Eileen Gonzalez: It is weirdly big, accustomed the added tinier comm accessories they’ve had in the past.
Brian Cronin: Hawkeye had a anchorperson RING
Brian Cronin: But Quicksilver’s rocking, like, a abounding actor ball microphone in his pants
Brian Cronin: Holy shit, Jarvis is announcement Wasp-levels of incompetence, right?
Eileen Gonzalez: Honestly! Aloof erect apathy his duties. You’d anticipate he’d apperceive better, with this lot.
Brian Cronin: I don’t alike anticipate it’s absurd to accept that they’ll booty affliction of it, but aloof a general, “Hey, you guys got that, right?” would do.
Eileen Gonzalez: I assumption Wanda and Pietro absolutely did aloof leave afterwards cogent him or alike abrogation a note. Not absolute bright.
Brian Cronin: “A ache signal! No point absolution anyone apperceive we’re off to acknowledgment it. This couldn’t possibly be a trap, admitting 70% of all ache signals we accept actuality traps.”
Eileen Gonzalez: Wasn’t there a accomplished subplot a while ago about the Avengers accepting a adorned answering apparatus to leave anniversary added letters for absolutely this reason?
Brian Cronin: They demonstrated, though, that Hawkeye couldn’t bethink a four-digit code.
Brian Cronin: Alike aback it was the cardinal 13 afresh twice.
Eileen Gonzalez: The Avengers are aloof hopeless, I guess.
Eileen Gonzalez: Admitting this time it’s not absolutely Hawkeye’s fault. He’s active active about New York actuality sad about Cap leaving.
Eileen Gonzalez: And article about a action with Natasha, but that’s beneath important.
Brian Cronin: They absolutely accept to stop cogent us how abundant Cap is as a leader
Brian Cronin: Aback we accept been after the book this accomplished time and we apperceive that’s not true.
Brian Cronin: It’s like they’re gaslighting us into assertive Cap is a abundant leader.
Brian Cronin: Oh, and that Cap is absolutely old.
Brian Cronin: One affair I do love, though, is the connected acrimony of the Marvel Universe accepted populace.
Brian Cronin: “Hawkeye! It’s Hawkeye! We adulation you Hawkeye!”
Brian Cronin: “He won’t appear bottomward actuality to assurance autographs. Screw Hawkeye. Cap is the abandoned advantageous Avenger.”
Eileen Gonzalez: Those autograph hounds are amusing and terrible. Acting like Hawkeye owes them attention.
Eileen Gonzalez: Can’t they see he is accepting an angsty moment here?!
Eileen Gonzalez: At atomic that arena is short, though. Hank and Jan’s bank chance goes on waaay too long.
Brian Cronin: So wait, is Hank now Ant-Man?
Brian Cronin: Bethink the added issue, they alleged it article like the acknowledgment of Ant-Man, right?
Brian Cronin: So is Hank now Ant-Man, aloof still application the Goliath costume?
Eileen Gonzalez: Seems that way? I assumption aback he’s small, he’s Ant-Man, and aback he’s tall, he’s Goliath.
Brian Cronin: We’re aloof advantageous that the bank has all these all-overs ample around
Brian Cronin: Who actively doesn’t apprehension all-overs ample all over them?
Eileen Gonzalez: Sometimes a bristles avalanche on my arm and I anticipate it’s an ant, so I would absolutely apprehension absolute ants.
Eileen Gonzalez: Also, I assumption the all-overs are talking now? That’s novel.
Brian Cronin: Oh, acceptable call.
Brian Cronin: That ability be a first. I can analysis that out later.
Brian Cronin: Who’s not acquainted Ant-Man freaking PICK UP A ROULETTE BALL?!!?
Brian Cronin: This accomplished break is insane.
Eileen Gonzalez: What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas!
Brian Cronin: I’ve accustomed him acknowledgment over his appearance work, so I accept to accord him acclaim for his accomplished assignment with Wasp’s acknowledgment to accident her cape stole.
Brian Cronin: That’s some outstanding facial announcement art.
Eileen Gonzalez: Yeah, that console is appealing funny, and Jan’s face sells it.
Brian Cronin: Adulation that cool accustomed chat of, “I admiration what Hercules is up to now?”
Eileen Gonzalez: We gotta segue somehow!
Eileen Gonzalez: I don’t apperceive if it’s Tuska’s art or if I’m aloof not acclimated to it yet, but Hercules looks absolutely aberrant afterwards the beard. I don’t like it.
Brian Cronin: I don’t like him afterwards the beard, either.
Brian Cronin: But I anticipate it’s abnormally arrant with Tuska’s art.
Brian Cronin: Like, aback Buscema aboriginal had Hercules barber his beard, it still looked “okay”
Brian Cronin: Not amazing, but okay.
Brian Cronin: I charge say, Cap’s administration DOES attending a little bit bigger aback we see them calm afterwards him
Brian Cronin: And they altercate over everything.
Brian Cronin: But they argued over aggregate aback Cap WAS there, so never mind,.
Eileen Gonzalez:The Avengers aloof adulation to squabble.
Eileen Gonzalez:And afresh we assuredly get aback to Garrett Castle and Dane Whitman… aloof in time for Dane to accord us some added exposition.
Eileen Gonzalez:And actuality I anticipation the artifice had assuredly arrived.
Brian Cronin: Yeah, as you noted, Thomas is alike starting to accomplish fun of the acute now.
Brian Cronin: “Yes, we apperceive we showed you this arena aftermost issue, but….”
Eileen Gonzalez:The agent so nice they showed it twice!
Brian Cronin: What’s funny is that it IS a acceptable origin
Brian Cronin: But we GOT IT ALREADY
Brian Cronin: You don’t get abundant added accessible page-padding than repeating an agent chance we aloof got the antecedent issue.
Eileen Gonzalez: The bit with him mutating the horse is new. I admiration what happened to the Black Knight’s aboriginal horse?
Brian Cronin: Yeah, isn’t that such a analytical idea?
Brian Cronin: “Well, I could go acquisition my uncle’s aboriginal active horse…or I could advise myself how to adapt horses to accord them wings and alternation a new active horse.”
Brian Cronin: You accept to adulation Marvel science that the additional advantage was alike accessible to Dane Whitman.
Brian Cronin: No one thinks about Dane as abundant of a scientist nowadays, but the dude aloof accidentally created a active horse!!!
Brian Cronin: And his alluring advice device, as well, but still, a active horse aback that’s not alike his field!!!
Brian Cronin: I assumption it comes from him actuality into this aloof because of his adulation for science and not a admiration to get paid.
Brian Cronin: Had he capital to adapt a horse to accomplish some money, he acceptable would accept failed.
Brian Cronin: It was abandoned because he was authentic of affection that his alteration succeeded.
Brian Cronin: Maybe that’s the the abstruse key to Marvel science.
Brian Cronin: Apprehension that Hank Pym didn’t absolutely assume to body annihilation advantageous already he larboard the Avengers and aloof became a full-time scientist.
Brian Cronin: While during his time as a superhero, he invented pym particles, axis Wasp into the Wasp and Ultron. The aftermost one wasn’t a GOOD thing, but it was still impressive!
Eileen Gonzalez: I assumption that’s why Dane’s horse is so abundant faster and stronger than his uncle’s. And whiter.
Brian Cronin: I’m additionally abashed as to whether Dane was absolutely planning to become a superhero or not.
Eileen Gonzalez: He was absolutely planning something. He refurbished the armor. Unless he was aloof activity to use that as aegis during his science experiments.
Brian Cronin: Maybe he was aloof absent by the alluring communicator?
Brian Cronin: I aloof admiration what the plan was had he not been disconnected by Magneto.
Brian Cronin: For instance, already this is all over, it’s not like we see the Black Knight, like, out patrolling or whatever.
Eileen Gonzalez: Hm, true. It takes a while for him to pop up in the Avengers again, doesn’t it?
Brian Cronin: And I accept it’s due to addition advancing to HIM
Brian Cronin: By the way, the absolute abstraction abaft the Black Knight is such a archetypal Roy Thomas idea.
Brian Cronin: Thomas was ablaze at the way that he re-purposed old characters.
Brian Cronin: Because he wasn’t about to appear up with a new superhero for Marvel.
Brian Cronin: So what he did so able-bodied was to re-arrange and re-purpose earlier Marvel characters.
Brian Cronin: Giving off the apparition of new characters, while captivation accurate to his accepted principles.
Brian Cronin: It’s absolutely impressive, really.
Brian Cronin: Speaking of impressive, the Joe Maneely aboriginal architecture for Black Knight’s apparel still holds up absolutely able-bodied in 2020, let abandoned in 1967, aback this affair came out.
Brian Cronin: What the Marvel Age would accept looked like had Maneely lived into the 1960s is one of the abundant “What If?”s in banana book history.
Eileen Gonzalez: I feel like maybe it doesn’t get abundant absorption because Black Knight isn’t an A-list character, but that is a solid design.
Brian Cronin: You apperceive a architecture is acceptable aback a 1955 architecture is still acclimated in 2020.
Eileen Gonzalez: I additionally anticipate that, for me anyway, I tend to balloon how avant-garde it was for Thomas to be reinventing characters this way, aback bequest characters are so accepted now. But aback then, this may accept been the aboriginal time a clairvoyant saw such a thing.
Brian Cronin: Well, I mean, DC acutely did the aforementioned basal abstraction with all of their Silver Age superheroes.
Brian Cronin: So I brainstorm Thomas was demography a few cues from that approach.
Eileen Gonzalez: Funny how DC and Marvel abduct from anniversary other.
Brian Cronin: As Thomas was one of the best arresting DC Silver Age admirers of the era. Him and Jerry Bails.
Eileen Gonzalez: Admitting with DC, at atomic with Green Lantern and the Flash, that was beneath about agreeable with the aboriginal versions and added about blank them out in favor of the new kids on the block.
Brian Cronin: Oh true, Thomas had a abundant added aesthetic appearance of things.
Brian Cronin: By the way, here’s a bit I did about a Justice League affair area Gardner Fox formed Thomas and Bails into a story.
Brian Cronin: Afore Thomas got into autograph banana books professionally.
Eileen Gonzalez: That charge accept been fun for him!
Brian Cronin: I adulation the complete aftereffect for Magneto blame the Toad afterwards Mags smacks Quicksilver about a bit.
Brian Cronin: “Wop!”
Brian Cronin: It seems like Toad aloof has a walking sad trombone after him everywhere.
Brian Cronin: “Womp-womp”
Eileen Gonzalez: He needs some acquaint in self-esteem.
Brian Cronin: And afresh we get the ball of errors of the Black Knight aerial at Avengers Mansion.
Brian Cronin: “They will apprehend that I’m not my cool villain uncle because…..reasons.”
Eileen Gonzalez: What did he anticipate was activity to happen?!
Eileen Gonzalez: Admitting to be fair, Hawkeye’s carelessness did not help.
Brian Cronin: Oh totally.
Brian Cronin: Black Knight is impaired here.
Brian Cronin: But Hawkeye aloof approved to annihilate the dude afore alive if he was absolutely beneath attack.
Eileen Gonzalez: It’s Bonehead against Bonehead
Brian Cronin: And appear on, the Wasp accidentally causes his billy to shoot out a laser beam?
Brian Cronin: You’re a scientist, dude.
Brian Cronin: Maybe don’t accept a billy that shoots off lasers if addition bumps into it
Eileen Gonzalez: That is a appealing austere architecture flaw.
Eileen Gonzalez: And he doesn’t apperceive how to use it absolute able-bodied either, apparently, aback he accidentally shoots off allotment of a architecture and about kills some people.
Eileen Gonzalez: Maybe you should accept spent beneath time mutating horses and added time training.
Brian Cronin: Maybe that’s what he was planning to do afore Magneto rushed things along?
Brian Cronin: How amusing is Goliath’s “I was able to anticipate he wasn’t bad because of his hardly altered apparel and his hardly altered active horse that I could somehow analyze from hundreds of yards away, but this does it!”
Brian Cronin: Wait, the Wasp can ascendancy wasps? Has that consistently been a thing?
Eileen Gonzalez: And aback did Hank advance size-changing issues again? He says he was warned not to abound to 25 feet… aback when?
Eileen Gonzalez: So abounding questions in this scene!
Brian Cronin: You accept to adulation Black Knight’s “I came in peace! I charge your help! But okay, I assumption I’ll bang you into smithereens!”
Brian Cronin: That one console area the Black Knight is pointing his carve at the reader, though, is an outstanding panel.
Brian Cronin: Tuska has some abundant panels alloyed in in this issue.
Eileen Gonzalez: Yeah, that’s a abundant moment.
Brian Cronin: I adulation the bit about how Hawkeye’s braiding arrows couldn’t save Goliath at his accepted size
Brian Cronin: But afresh Black Knight saves him
Brian Cronin: Afterwards he…shrunk bottomward to his accustomed size
Brian Cronin: Which agency Hawkeye could accept adored him.
Brian Cronin: The Avengers forgave Black Knight way too quickly.
Eileen Gonzalez: Abnormally with how abundant of a jerk Black Knight is to them afterward. This was your accountability too, y’know!
Brian Cronin: Yes, his absorbed was to save them, but he still JUST about asleep MANY civilians and about asleep both Hawkeye AND Goliath (Hawkeye aback he agape him off of his aerial horse and Goliath with the accomplished agape bottomward allotment of the architecture deal).
Eileen Gonzalez: And accustomed all the all-overs he aloof killed, you’d anticipate Hank would be added upset.
Brian Cronin: Yeah, how awe-inspiring was it that his fog additionally asleep ants
Brian Cronin: For…reasons?
Eileen Gonzalez: All-overs can’t handle smoke, I guess?
Eileen Gonzalez: Maybe they died of smoke inhalation.
Eileen Gonzalez: I wouldn’t appetite to be a noncombatant continuing beneath the battery of asleep all-overs falling from the sky.
Brian Cronin: They’d apparently anticipate it was some array of announcement gimmick
Brian Cronin: “Is this an ad for the new Pink Panther movie?”
Brian Cronin: “Dead-ant, dead-ant, dead-ant dead-ant dead-ant dead-ant, dead-annnnnnnt”
Eileen Gonzalez: I don’t apperceive whether to beam or boo at that.
Brian Cronin: Applause is customary.
Brian Cronin: Black Knight fits appropriate in with the blow of the Avengers by aerial off the handle and afresh insisting on administration a alarming mission by himself.
Brian Cronin: Addition abundant Tuska close-up console of the Knight all angry.
Eileen Gonzalez: And, like all the macho Avengers, Jan assumes he’s beautiful beneath the mask.
Brian Cronin: Yeah, wow.
Eileen Gonzalez: It’s like a rite of access to become an Avenger at this point.
Brian Cronin: What a way to end an issue.
Brian Cronin: This big affecting ending.
Brian Cronin: And then, “Wow, I bet he’s beautiful beneath that helmet.”
Brian Cronin: Well, three Avengers against Magneto…that should end well, right?
Eileen Gonzalez: I am absolute accessible for this storyline to be over. I about don’t affliction who wins at this point.
Eileen Gonzalez: It’s a abashment because it’s not a bad idea. Magneto wouldn’t aloof let his above assembly go so easily, so it makes faculty he’d appear aback for them in some way.
Brian Cronin: Yeah, it absolutely makes sense. It aloof didn’t charge to be three issues.
Brian Cronin: This would accept been a cool aciculate one and done issue
Brian Cronin: And a appropriate abundant two parter.
Eileen Gonzalez: And now the new Black Knight’s admission is accepting mired in all this.
Eileen Gonzalez: But hey, at atomic the all-overs got a lot to do this issue.
Brian Cronin: Stopping a guy from cheating and afresh dying in a brume of smoke. Array of an up and bottomward day for them.
Brian Cronin: Next affair is the big Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver send-off.
Brian Cronin: Let’s achievement that it is handled well!
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